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"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg) 01/31/2018 at 11:17 • Filed to: None

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But I really, really like the new Navigator Black Label. More than that, this is the first modern Lincoln that I’ve had a genuine desire to own. It’s even more of a leap forward from its predecessor than the current (and fantastic) Escalade is from its previous generation. For $100,000 even, I’d take the ‘Gator over an Escalade Platinum, QX80, LX570, and GLS550. Basically the only comparably priced vehicle I might consider as an alternative is the supercharged V8 Range Rover. I honestly never thought I’d see the day when I held a Lincoln in the same light as my favorite luxury SUV, and yet, here we are.

HammerheadFistpunch > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 11:20

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The power of a SERIOUSLY good interior.

OPPOsaurus WRX > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 11:22

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I’m waiting for the Blackwood

MonkeePuzzle > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 11:25

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same. I am pro small cars. but this wonderful air craft carrier of a machine is very attractive

Wacko > MonkeePuzzle 01/31/2018 at 11:29

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not on the outside, well maybe after your mspaint magic you can make it look good on the outside.

MonkeePuzzle > Wacko 01/31/2018 at 11:33

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just needs some new wheels.

and maybe lowering... TO THE MSPAINT MACHINE!

jasmits > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 11:35

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I’m not disagreeing that this is a quantum leap forward for Lincoln....but Range Rover. Somehow the Range Rover is still the one new true luxury SUV that I wouldn’t be embarrassed to own(would not be embarrassed by a Land Cruiser either but I’m not sure it’s quite the same caliber).

jimz > Wacko 01/31/2018 at 11:38

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IMO it’s far better looking than the tacky Escalade and any of those utterly offensive-looking things Lexus sells.

Wacko > jimz 01/31/2018 at 11:40

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not with those wheels it ain’t

this is worse in anyway possible than the predator face

and also fancy Flex

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > HammerheadFistpunch 01/31/2018 at 11:40

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In my perfect world, interior is one of my absolute top priorities in a car. It’s where I spend all my time, so I’ve got to want to be there.

jimz > jasmits 01/31/2018 at 11:42

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Somehow the Range Rover is still the one new true luxury SUV that I wouldn’t be embarrassed to own

until the umpteenth time you watch it go away like this:

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > jasmits 01/31/2018 at 11:43

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I can’t put my figure on why I like this as much as a Rover. Ok, so the Range Rover is better looking on the outside and does better off-road...but this has such a phenomenal interior and so much presence. Maybe the latter is just because it’s new, while the current Range Rover has been with us for six years.

WilliamsSW > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 11:45

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I could see that - I like it way better than the Escalade, and I think it’s gorgeous, too - I particularly love the greenhouse. If I was in this price range, it would be between the LX, GLS and this, I think.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > WilliamsSW 01/31/2018 at 11:48

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As a former LX owner and fanboy, I really want to like the current one. The problem is, in addition to being hideous, it is hysterically out-of-date.

WilliamsSW > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 11:50

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Yeah, you pretty much summed up my feelings on that as well. I *want* to like it, but if I was seriously shopping for one of these, I’d be shocked if I liked it as much after driving it along with the others.

WilliamsSW > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 11:50

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Yeah, you pretty much summed up my feelings on that as well. I *want* to like it, but if I was seriously shopping for one of these, I’d be shocked if I liked it as much after driving it along with the others.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Wacko 01/31/2018 at 11:51

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I love the wheels, and actually I think the whole thing looks good. Grill could be a bit smaller, but oh well.

Wacko > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 11:58

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to me all i see is a Dated Flex look and the wheels look like this

https://www.amazon.com/Alpena-59915-Black-Silver-Wheel-Cover/dp/B00D1SWWJA

but to each their own

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Wacko 01/31/2018 at 11:59

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I mean in fairness my dad had a Flex when I got my license and I liked it as well.

HammerheadFistpunch > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 12:01

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its ont of the reasons I never fell in love with the 100 series. my 80 isn’t magical on the interior department...in fact its a case study in inefficiency...but the 100 just looked too, how to say, 90's taurus to me.

Dark chocolate > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 12:01

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I went to GL450 from E550 when my son was born, and I went from GL450 to the Navigator L when the Twins were born.

With three kids in their car seats, their twins stroller and my parents, the Navigator L hauls everything. But I DO MISS the appointments / quality of the GL.

In about 2 years when they are in their booster seats and we’ll never need the stroller, I am gonna look - long and hard at another Navigator L with a strong bias towards a CPO GL 350 bluetec.

Personally I want and hope that Lincoln has fixed the Navigator to the point where it truly is upscale.

MonkeePuzzle > Wacko 01/31/2018 at 12:02

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MonkeePuzzle > MonkeePuzzle 01/31/2018 at 12:03

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so... basically a ford flex? :D

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > HammerheadFistpunch 01/31/2018 at 12:04

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The LX was a vast improvement on that front. Amazing what a bunch of wood, a bit of bright work, and some better colors can do.

Wacko > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 12:06

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don’t get me wrong i love the flex, but a 100000 $ truck shouldn’t look like a flex, that is now discontinued.

Wacko > MonkeePuzzle 01/31/2018 at 12:06

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police package

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > MonkeePuzzle 01/31/2018 at 12:14

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So now not only do I need 100,000 for the Nav, I also need probably another 10,000 to have Airride build a kit for it, and some Detroit steel 20” wheels. Their Artillery wheel would do quite well. http://detroitsteelwheel.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/2017_DSW_Catalog_Retail_v1.pdf

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > MonkeePuzzle 01/31/2018 at 12:17

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I was excited then i saw a poor choice in wheels

MonkeePuzzle > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 01/31/2018 at 12:23

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yur a poor choice in wheels!

jasmits > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 12:24

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I think the Range Rover still has more presence. It’s more subtle, but to me that’s what gives it so much weight.

jasmits > jimz 01/31/2018 at 12:25

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There’s still a certain dignity to a broken down Range Rover

Textured Soy Protein > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 12:29

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For what is a glorified people hauler, I honestly can’t think of spending anything more than like, a Honda Pilot Elite, Chevy Traverse High Country or maybe get fancy with a Buick Enclave Avenir.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 13:09

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I love the continental in that blue. I did the Toyota booth but I walked over to check it out. Those door handles are sexy and the car has some classic lines. If I lived somewhere snowy and I had money to burn, sure I’d get a Navigator, hate the wheels though.

punkgoose17 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 13:25

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The one thing that bothers me are the tabs they used for the floor mats look like they belong in a VW Golf.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 13:26

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Interior is why I did not buy a Subaru and at am at the point of spending more money on a used Lexus.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > punkgoose17 01/31/2018 at 13:35

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Those are the standard Ford parts bin ones. They are identical to the ones in my Focus...

Wacko > jimz 01/31/2018 at 13:42

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that’s the secret to keep the miles low and resale value up.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 13:56

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i love the wheels. i dont get why everyone hates on them but i absolutely love them

boxrocket > punkgoose17 01/31/2018 at 13:59

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It’s a known functional part, though I agree it does seem a bit out-of-place. If it were metal it might corrode, and chrome might look tacky, so.... Hmm...

punkgoose17 > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 01/31/2018 at 14:04

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I guessed that, I just have not been in any newer Fords lately. They look to low grade for the Navigator, but they are really important. The parts bin parts are probably heavily tested, so a nicer looking design probably would have been a ton of development.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 01/31/2018 at 14:13

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Me too

Vicente Esteve > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 14:59

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Just saw Dougs video today and I have to say I’m impressed, even as a non-Lincoln Hater already.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > punkgoose17 01/31/2018 at 15:13

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I think that a lot looking at my car and my wife’s, although I really do think Ford stepped up their game in higher trims of their vehicles as well. But you can see throughout my car parts that are identical to parts on my wife’s car, which debuted in 2003... I couldn’t even guess when these were first used.

jimz > Wacko 01/31/2018 at 15:46

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Flex is still on the market.

jimz > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 01/31/2018 at 15:49

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there are options

jimz > OPPOsaurus WRX 01/31/2018 at 15:53

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I’m waiting for the Blackwood

said no one ever.

yech. I still have nightmares about being at a pilot build of the Blackwood.

Wacko > jimz 01/31/2018 at 16:27

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someone didn’t tell my regional ford dealers cause not one had one stock since 2014. when I was 7 passenger CUV shopping in 2015 couldn’t even try one since none where here

jimz > Wacko 01/31/2018 at 16:46

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dealer near me has 15 in inventory. But if it doesn’t sell worth a damn where you are, I could see why dealers wouldn’t waste money and space on keeping any in stock.

Flex is a weird vehicle. it never hit the hoped-for volumes, but it’s interesting how consistent its volumes have been. it’s been a stable ~1800-2100 sales/month for years. Plus, the current one has been “paid for” since about 2015.

and it’s a car where not a whole lot of people are interested in it, but the people who liked it enough to buy them are almost fanatical in how much they love them. Myself, I never understand why people flock to the bulky, cramped, claustrophobic Explorer over the relatively open and easy to see out of Flex.

Wacko > jimz 01/31/2018 at 17:52

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I wanted a Flex, but my wife didn’t.

A coworker let me try her 2012 since I couldn’t get one from a dealer to try.

Interior felt really cheap. We ended up getting a pathfinder SL

Since the interior was miles better and it had the best in class fuel economy at the time. I didn’t even want to try it cause of the CVT but ended up loving the smooth constant acceleration.

JR1 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/31/2018 at 18:41

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Welcome to the party that is already in session.